"Alle Süchtigen sind gescheitert" stand hier, glaube ich, nirgends.Woas Sois..., 04.05.2014 13:53 #
sagen wir es mal so, süchtige sind eigentlich immer irgendwie gescheiterte. warum sonst werden sie süchtig?FaithAndHope, 02.05.2014 20:08 #
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"Alle Süchtigen sind gescheitert" stand hier, glaube ich, nirgends.Woas Sois..., 04.05.2014 13:53 #
sagen wir es mal so, süchtige sind eigentlich immer irgendwie gescheiterte. warum sonst werden sie süchtig?FaithAndHope, 02.05.2014 20:08 #Alphex, 04.05.2014 14:03 #
Gilt die Aussage von vorher, ich widerrufe und folge nun Christus meinen Erlöser.
(Heute habe ich auch eine schlechte Trefferquote)
Das stimmt so nicht. Habe noch vor ein paar Jahren einige Jahre täglich gekifft und als ich aufhörte hatte ich verdammte körperliche Entzugserscheinungen. Appetitlosigkeit, Schlaflosigkeit, Durchfall, Bluthochdruck und dann noch die psychischen Probleme dazu; hat mir gereicht.pixiesa, 04.05.2014 13:57 #
Hmm, Okay, ich hab da nichts gemerkt. Dann revidiere ich die Aussage. Man ist ja noch lernfähig.Woas Sois..., 04.05.2014 14:01 #
Ich glaube wenn man hin und wieder mal kifft hat man keine Entzugserscheinungen. Ansonsten bei täglichem Konsum verändert sich der Hirnstoffwechsel und dies kann auch Psychosen auslösen
.....aber das weiß du ja sicher schon, sollte mittlerweile jedem Kiffer bekannt sein (obwohls denen erstmal scheiß egal ist) Das stimmt so nicht. Habe noch vor ein paar Jahren einige Jahre täglich gekifft und als ich aufhörte hatte ich verdammte körperliche Entzugserscheinungen. Appetitlosigkeit, Schlaflosigkeit, Durchfall, Bluthochdruck und dann noch die psychischen Probleme dazu; hat mir gereicht.pixiesa, 04.05.2014 13:57 #
Hmm, Okay, ich hab da nichts gemerkt. Dann revidiere ich die Aussage. Man ist ja noch lernfähig.Woas Sois..., 04.05.2014 14:01 #
Ich glaube wenn man hin und wieder mal kifft hat man keine Entzugserscheinungen. Ansonsten bei täglichem Konsum verändert sich der Hirnstoffwechsel und dies kann auch Psychosen auslösen
Schädliche Wirkungen habe ich ja nicht abgestritten.
Aber weder körperlich süchtig machend, noch tödlich.Woas Sois..., 04.05.2014 13:53 #
Das stimmt so nicht. Habe noch vor ein paar Jahren einige Jahre täglich gekifft und als ich aufhörte hatte ich verdammte körperliche Entzugserscheinungen. Appetitlosigkeit, Schlaflosigkeit, Durchfall, Bluthochdruck und dann noch die psychischen Probleme dazu; hat mir gereicht.pixiesa, 04.05.2014 13:57 #
Hm. Ich hatte auch mal ne Zeit, da wurde über 2 oder 3 Jahre hinweg täglich gekifft. Morgens kurz nachm Aufstehen schon und ans Einschlafen abends war ohne nicht zu denken. Die Harald Schmidt-Show war auch nur bekifft lustig, hatte man mal ausnahmsweise nix, konnte man nicht lachen. Eigentlich alles andere als zum Lachen. Irgendwann hat's bei mir dann *klick* gemacht und der Extremkonsum wurde von heut auf morgen eingestellt. Die Entzugserscheinungen hielten sich dann auch in Grenzen... bis auf paar schlechte Nächte inkl. durchgeschwitzter T-Shirts durch den Entgiftungsprozess hatte ich keinerlei Probleme, davon wegzukommen. Ist schon vor allem ne Kopfsache, würd ich doch mal behaupten. Möchte mir jedenfalls nicht ausmalen, wo ich heute stünde, wenn der tägliche Konsum nicht aus Gräsle sondern aus Schnäpsle bestanden hätte.
Möchte mir jedenfalls nicht ausmalen, wo ich heute stünde, wenn der tägliche Konsum nicht aus Gräsle sondern aus Schnäpsle bestanden hätte.thurston moore, 04.05.2014 14:45 #
Das ist doch jetzt aber eine falsche Fährte, denn nur weil anderes schlimmer ist, hat es doch selbst nicht weniger Auswirkungen deshalb.
bis auf paar schlechte Nächte inkl. durchgeschwitzter T-Shirts durch den Entgiftungsprozess hatte ich keinerlei Probleme, davon wegzukommen.thurston moore, 04.05.2014 14:45 #
Hatte ich noch vergessen: man schwitzt wie ein Schwein wenn man aufhört, ich musste täglich mein Laken wechseln (allerdings kein Vergleich mit dem Affen den man beim Heroinentzug hat)
(allerdings kein Vergleich mit dem Affen den man beim Heroinentzug hat)pixiesa, 04.05.2014 14:58 #
den hier?
ot: ein eigener sucht-thread wär gefragt... hier ist das ganze ja eher unpassend geparkt.
Eins muss ich dann aber trotzdem sagen: Menschen ganz ohne Rauschbedürfnisse und ganz ohne Drogenerfahrungen sind mir schon etwas... suspekt. Möchte die Erfahrungen nicht missen.thurston moore, 03.05.2014 21:11 #
Mir ist schon klar, dass das nicht böse gemeint ist, aber arg befremdlich finde ich das schon. Kein Verlangen nach Drogen zu haben sollte doch eigentlich was Gutes sein.
Eins muss ich dann aber trotzdem sagen: Menschen ganz ohne Rauschbedürfnisse und ganz ohne Drogenerfahrungen sind mir schon etwas... suspekt. Möchte die Erfahrungen nicht missen.thurston moore, 03.05.2014 21:11 #
Mir ist schon klar, dass das nicht böse gemeint ist, aber arg befremdlich finde ich das schon. Kein Verlangen nach Drogen zu haben sollte doch eigentlich was Gutes sein.
Grundsätzlich richtig. Wobei ich gerne immer noch wissen möchte, was er unter Drogenerfahrung und Rauschbedürfnis versteht. Ist das nur BTM relevantes Zeuch oder auch das legale Zeuch wie Alkohol?
Eins muss ich dann aber trotzdem sagen: Menschen ganz ohne Rauschbedürfnisse und ganz ohne Drogenerfahrungen sind mir schon etwas... suspekt. Möchte die Erfahrungen nicht missen.thurston moore, 03.05.2014 21:11 #
Mir ist schon klar, dass das nicht böse gemeint ist, aber arg befremdlich finde ich das schon. Kein Verlangen nach Drogen zu haben sollte doch eigentlich was Gutes sein.
das hab ich auch schon gedacht...
Nunja. Das war jetzt vielleicht nicht optimal formuliert. Sagen wir mal so: Eine gesunde Portion Neugierde und bewusstseinserweiternde Experimentierfreude gehören für mich eben zum Leben dazu. Es ist menschlich. Es ist sicherlich nicht böse gemeint, aber befremdlich find ich's eher, wenn das bei jemandem überhaupt und ganz und gar nicht vorhanden ist.
Alkohol zähle ich da genauso mit dazu. Ist aber ja eh Volksdroge und keine Party funktioniert ohne.
Wobei ich gerne immer noch wissen möchte, was er unter Drogenerfahrung und Rauschbedürfnis versteht. Ist das nur BTM relevantes Zeuch oder auch das legale Zeuch wie Alkohol?AERPELSCHLOT, 04.05.2014 21:35 #
Alkohol zähle ich da genauso mit dazu. Ist aber ja eh Volksdroge und keine Party funktioniert ohne.
Zuletzt geändert von thurston moore
Eine gesunde Portion Neugierde und bewusstseinserweiternde Experimentierfreude gehören für mich eben zum Leben dazu. Es ist menschlich.thurston moore, 04.05.2014 22:15 #
"Es ist menschlich" = Schwachsinnsargument #1. Sorry, nichts gegen dich, aber was soll das bitte aussagen? Neugierde lasse ich gelten, aber "bewusstseinserweiternde Experimentierfreude" ist ein sowas von konstruierter Begriff, der hat sicher keine "natürliche" Entsprechung.
Neugierde lasse ich gelten, aber "bewusstseinserweiternde Experimentierfreude" ist ein sowas von konstruierter BegriffAlphex, 05.05.2014 01:00 #
Was ist denn in diesem Zusammenhang der Unterschied? Das eine impliziert das andere, schon der Ursprung des Wortes Neugierde ist ja eigentlich "gierig auf Neues". Hab aber jetzt wirklich auch keine Lust mehr auf solche Wortklaubereien und denke, dass mittlerweile eigentlich klar sein sollte, was ich mit meiner ursprünglichen Aussage ausdrücken wollte, die hier solche Wellen schlägt. Erfahrungen diesbezüglich müssen eben nicht per se negativ sein, ganz im Gegenteil. Man ist um eine Erfahrung reicher. Dass Genuss und Sucht gerade bei suchtaffinen Persönlichkeiten mitunter schnell Hand in Hand gehen kann, darüber muss ja nicht diskutiert werden. Auch von Verharmlosung möchte ich mich ausdrücklich distanzieren. Bin aber vorerst mal raus aus der Diskussion.
Sollte irgendwann ein separater Thread zu dieser Thematik eröffnet werden, klink ich mich eventuell wieder ein. Gibt dann ja doch noch so einiges dazu beizutragen. Falsche Drogenpolitik, der weltweit gescheiterte "War on drugs", das Pro und Contra von Legalisierung gewisser Substanzen. Das gehört aber jetzt nicht hier her.
Ich fand die letzten Seiten auf jeden Fall interessant.
Das Nachlesen hat sich gelohnt.
Das Nachlesen hat sich gelohnt.
Der Honk des Monats Award geht an Morrisey! Kopiert von der FB Seite der Band Paws
So, in light of unexpected media attention, please allow us to explain what happened to us earlier today. It might be a little long, but we appreciate your patience as we feel it needs to be said.
Early this afternoon (Thursday May 8th) as we were travelling from San Francisco to Santa Ana to play a show tonight at Constellation Rooms with We Are Scientists, we received a call from the promoter/venue telling us that Morrissey, who was also due to play a show tonight in the larger room at the venue, had requested that no live music be heard during his set. SO, in order to adhere to curfews, this would mean that we couldn’t play our opening slot as it would clash with Morrissey's and We Are Scientists’ headline show would be cut short and heavily delayed (until after Morrissey’s show). We were then informed that in respect of this cancellation, we had been offered to be paid double our guarantee for our troubles as per a clause in the contract for the show, but it was also asserted that we didn’t really have a choice in the matter; for example, we didn’t really get any sort of option to try and make the show work, it was just very cut and dry. So in short, we were essentially getting paid not to play.
We were instantly very confused. Many, if not all, bands we have met, played with or seen, have most certainly played a show in a venue with two rooms without incident, much less threat of cancellation. The idea that sound would bleed.. well it’s always seemed apparent that this is a risk if you plan to run/play a venue of this type, but there are usually measures in place to prevent there being any disturbance to either show. We’ve played shows like this quite a few times, so it seemed excessive. We felt almost like we were being bribed - not by the promoter it should be said, but by the show's production - and for a reason that seemed a little overdramatic.
Although all bands in our situation could very much do with the extra money, it didn’t sit right with us that we were essentially, very much literally, being silenced; being bought out, and for reasons that, when explained to us as above, not only seemed trivial but seemed to fit the unfortunate egotistical stereotypes that Morrissey has come to embody in recent years, not least as we had been informed that he has already been noted for cancelling several shows .
Now, far from wishing to start a cheap fight, we felt outraged, naturally. We felt frustrated, angry, undermined and totally helpless as, to our knowledge, a reason outwith our control was threatening to ruin a (sold-out) show we were really excited about and we didn’t even have a choice. We felt that we would’ve felt dirty taking the money. It didn’t feel right to just be bought out; we would like to think that what we do is worth more that a quick bit of cash, so we decided to fight it. We naturally felt like we wanted to scream it out loud, we felt like it was complete bullshit, and that no one, regardless of their standing as a performer, and associated crew, should be allowed to dictate what goes on with such lack of disregard to the logistics, not to mention the feelings of other people. What’s more, there seemed to be a real blunder in terms of ‘chain of command’ as our slot was officially pulled before we knew about it, before We Are Scientists knew about it, before our booking agents knew. What we ended up getting told seemed more like cold hard fact - you’re not doing it, end of story. This made us even more angry, as it felt very disrespectful.
So, in light of unexpected media attention, please allow us to explain what happened to us earlier today. It might be a little long, but we appreciate your patience as we feel it needs to be said.
Early this afternoon (Thursday May 8th) as we were travelling from San Francisco to Santa Ana to play a show tonight at Constellation Rooms with We Are Scientists, we received a call from the promoter/venue telling us that Morrissey, who was also due to play a show tonight in the larger room at the venue, had requested that no live music be heard during his set. SO, in order to adhere to curfews, this would mean that we couldn’t play our opening slot as it would clash with Morrissey's and We Are Scientists’ headline show would be cut short and heavily delayed (until after Morrissey’s show). We were then informed that in respect of this cancellation, we had been offered to be paid double our guarantee for our troubles as per a clause in the contract for the show, but it was also asserted that we didn’t really have a choice in the matter; for example, we didn’t really get any sort of option to try and make the show work, it was just very cut and dry. So in short, we were essentially getting paid not to play.
We were instantly very confused. Many, if not all, bands we have met, played with or seen, have most certainly played a show in a venue with two rooms without incident, much less threat of cancellation. The idea that sound would bleed.. well it’s always seemed apparent that this is a risk if you plan to run/play a venue of this type, but there are usually measures in place to prevent there being any disturbance to either show. We’ve played shows like this quite a few times, so it seemed excessive. We felt almost like we were being bribed - not by the promoter it should be said, but by the show's production - and for a reason that seemed a little overdramatic.
Although all bands in our situation could very much do with the extra money, it didn’t sit right with us that we were essentially, very much literally, being silenced; being bought out, and for reasons that, when explained to us as above, not only seemed trivial but seemed to fit the unfortunate egotistical stereotypes that Morrissey has come to embody in recent years, not least as we had been informed that he has already been noted for cancelling several shows .
Now, far from wishing to start a cheap fight, we felt outraged, naturally. We felt frustrated, angry, undermined and totally helpless as, to our knowledge, a reason outwith our control was threatening to ruin a (sold-out) show we were really excited about and we didn’t even have a choice. We felt that we would’ve felt dirty taking the money. It didn’t feel right to just be bought out; we would like to think that what we do is worth more that a quick bit of cash, so we decided to fight it. We naturally felt like we wanted to scream it out loud, we felt like it was complete bullshit, and that no one, regardless of their standing as a performer, and associated crew, should be allowed to dictate what goes on with such lack of disregard to the logistics, not to mention the feelings of other people. What’s more, there seemed to be a real blunder in terms of ‘chain of command’ as our slot was officially pulled before we knew about it, before We Are Scientists knew about it, before our booking agents knew. What we ended up getting told seemed more like cold hard fact - you’re not doing it, end of story. This made us even more angry, as it felt very disrespectful.
After sitting on it for a while, we decided to relay the information we’d been given, which we did, as fact, to our fans, through our channels. Whatever else was said in that post was purely driven by the emotional intensity of the situation, but to be fair, at the time, we said what we felt like we wanted to say based on what we got told, which we think is fair enough; although in hindsight, perhaps that may have been misconstrued as some sort of ‘attack’; which it wasn’t, we were just pissed off.
And from here, shit gets fucking crazy.
The post went crazy. We received several calls from lots of different people, perhaps the most important being the promoter for Morrissey’s show. He informed us that - in light of the exponentially-increasing web traffic, there was a possibility that this could shine badly on the entire operation and that if anyone from the Morrissey camp was to see this, there was a very high chance that he could threaten to cancel. This was insane to us. We already weren’t playing, and then there was even the slight possibility that what we wrote could still impact on his show?? That’s insane. We just said what we got told - and to be completely 100% honest, we were only intending to spread the word to ‘our’ fans and friends, because we thought they were the only ones watching. Oh how wrong we were…
The promoter, genuinely upset, told us that there had already been a sizeable six figure sum deposited to Morrissey and if he cancels the show, that will be completely gone and that would be disastrous for the venue, which we were told could potentially go under. This guy was terrified and genuinely appealed, in light of him potentially ‘losing everything’, that we try to contain the situation, which had escalated as the post went viral. In respect of his genuine testimony and in fear that our action would result not just in the cancellation of the show but in the serious financial chaos for the venue and all involved, we felt it was only right to remove the post. At least until the show was over when we could clarify the situation properly.
After hours of calls back and forth in a McDonalds car park at a service station - free wifi - we realised that news sites had picked up on the story and the whole thing went apeshit. Eventually, after much talk, and much back and forth, a few options were brought to our attention and weirdly, after it seeming like a cut and shut case, we eventually, somehow managed to negotiate a slot immediately following Morrissey’s set. This was insane, we thought we were fucked, and then after all that it was just sorted. Whether the Morrissey camp realised it was bullshit, or it was the strength of the attention this whole damn thing was getting, who knows, but eventually it seemed like things might be straightened out. Relieved, we posted that the show was back on.
After this, as more sites started to pick up on it, we got more frantic calls from the promoter for the Morrissey show, telling us that his representatives had flipped and insisted the whole thing was not the actions of Morrissey himself, but that of his own security, and that we 'need to apologise' and set this straight. We felt that, regardless of who had actually said this, this was still done by someone in the Morrissey camp, on behalf of the man himself - who, notoriously organised and fully in control, would surely not be entirely unaware of - shedding light on an extremely poor and disrespectful attitude. The fact that this would not only need to be considered by anyone but in fact enforced, suggests a mentality surrounding performance and production that is selfish and unreasonable. To make sure that your show is not impeded by sound pollution IS reasonable, but it’s a purpose-built venue that books double shows all the time, has measures in place to stop such a thing, and to just call the show/slot off, HOURS BEFORE THE GIG, with disregard to the smaller show, felt very petty and unnecessary. Not only that but the fact that there was even the slightest notion that he would actually cancel his OWN show in light of this seemed utterly ridiculous to us. Considering how much this was going to impact on the promoter’s personal financial situation, let alone the venue, allegedly to the point of bankruptcy, we felt this was absurd.
As we hightailed it to Santa Ana, running late now after all this bullshit, we were genuinely concerned for the welfare of the promoter and everyone at the venue. We felt personally insulted and beaten down by bullshit beyond our control, so we stood up for ourselves. We NEVER wanted to cause anyone any trouble, so we were genuinely worried about Morrissey cancelling the show. Thankfully, moments before we arrived, we were informed that the show was most certainly on and that all was well.
However, after we got here, ten minutes before we were about to go onstage, with the show seemingly in full swing and in good health, Phillip and Josh were confronted by Morrissey’s tour manager in our own dressing room. After thinking that everything was FINALLY sorted, this man started screaming at them both, practically squaring up to them and trying his hardest to tear us apart for how big this story was getting, doling out blood-curdling screams to the effect of “I AM THE BOSS OF YOU!” Frankly, beyond being insulting, unreasonable, and to be honest a little hilarious, we simply couldn’t believe that this situation had escalated to this point. Far from a reasonable conversation or settling of differences, this seemed like a ‘telling off’ and to be honest put pretty much everything in context. To feel like you’re being demeaned, disrespected and almost bullied by ANYONE feels terrible but to feel like this is happening and that are hands are tied purely because of the perceived stature of a celebrity, seems utterly ridiculous and frankly, unacceptable.
Pissed off and fired up, we jumped out and did our best to kill it for the 30 mins we had in the lights. We burst ourselves trying to bring it, and after ALL that, we came off beaten, sweaty but elated. In our minds, this is over. Fuck this shit.
Tonight belongs to everyone who came to see us tonight, everyone who waited for HOURS to see We Are Scientists and us; to We Are Scientists themselves who killed it tonight, as always, and totally got our fucking backs! To Brendan, Ian, Jeffrey, and EVERY goddamn person who was down the front, we made it in the end...it was all thanks to you.
Fuck the Grapevine.
We love you all.
Ryan, Joshua and Phillip.
And from here, shit gets fucking crazy.
The post went crazy. We received several calls from lots of different people, perhaps the most important being the promoter for Morrissey’s show. He informed us that - in light of the exponentially-increasing web traffic, there was a possibility that this could shine badly on the entire operation and that if anyone from the Morrissey camp was to see this, there was a very high chance that he could threaten to cancel. This was insane to us. We already weren’t playing, and then there was even the slight possibility that what we wrote could still impact on his show?? That’s insane. We just said what we got told - and to be completely 100% honest, we were only intending to spread the word to ‘our’ fans and friends, because we thought they were the only ones watching. Oh how wrong we were…
The promoter, genuinely upset, told us that there had already been a sizeable six figure sum deposited to Morrissey and if he cancels the show, that will be completely gone and that would be disastrous for the venue, which we were told could potentially go under. This guy was terrified and genuinely appealed, in light of him potentially ‘losing everything’, that we try to contain the situation, which had escalated as the post went viral. In respect of his genuine testimony and in fear that our action would result not just in the cancellation of the show but in the serious financial chaos for the venue and all involved, we felt it was only right to remove the post. At least until the show was over when we could clarify the situation properly.
After hours of calls back and forth in a McDonalds car park at a service station - free wifi - we realised that news sites had picked up on the story and the whole thing went apeshit. Eventually, after much talk, and much back and forth, a few options were brought to our attention and weirdly, after it seeming like a cut and shut case, we eventually, somehow managed to negotiate a slot immediately following Morrissey’s set. This was insane, we thought we were fucked, and then after all that it was just sorted. Whether the Morrissey camp realised it was bullshit, or it was the strength of the attention this whole damn thing was getting, who knows, but eventually it seemed like things might be straightened out. Relieved, we posted that the show was back on.
After this, as more sites started to pick up on it, we got more frantic calls from the promoter for the Morrissey show, telling us that his representatives had flipped and insisted the whole thing was not the actions of Morrissey himself, but that of his own security, and that we 'need to apologise' and set this straight. We felt that, regardless of who had actually said this, this was still done by someone in the Morrissey camp, on behalf of the man himself - who, notoriously organised and fully in control, would surely not be entirely unaware of - shedding light on an extremely poor and disrespectful attitude. The fact that this would not only need to be considered by anyone but in fact enforced, suggests a mentality surrounding performance and production that is selfish and unreasonable. To make sure that your show is not impeded by sound pollution IS reasonable, but it’s a purpose-built venue that books double shows all the time, has measures in place to stop such a thing, and to just call the show/slot off, HOURS BEFORE THE GIG, with disregard to the smaller show, felt very petty and unnecessary. Not only that but the fact that there was even the slightest notion that he would actually cancel his OWN show in light of this seemed utterly ridiculous to us. Considering how much this was going to impact on the promoter’s personal financial situation, let alone the venue, allegedly to the point of bankruptcy, we felt this was absurd.
As we hightailed it to Santa Ana, running late now after all this bullshit, we were genuinely concerned for the welfare of the promoter and everyone at the venue. We felt personally insulted and beaten down by bullshit beyond our control, so we stood up for ourselves. We NEVER wanted to cause anyone any trouble, so we were genuinely worried about Morrissey cancelling the show. Thankfully, moments before we arrived, we were informed that the show was most certainly on and that all was well.
However, after we got here, ten minutes before we were about to go onstage, with the show seemingly in full swing and in good health, Phillip and Josh were confronted by Morrissey’s tour manager in our own dressing room. After thinking that everything was FINALLY sorted, this man started screaming at them both, practically squaring up to them and trying his hardest to tear us apart for how big this story was getting, doling out blood-curdling screams to the effect of “I AM THE BOSS OF YOU!” Frankly, beyond being insulting, unreasonable, and to be honest a little hilarious, we simply couldn’t believe that this situation had escalated to this point. Far from a reasonable conversation or settling of differences, this seemed like a ‘telling off’ and to be honest put pretty much everything in context. To feel like you’re being demeaned, disrespected and almost bullied by ANYONE feels terrible but to feel like this is happening and that are hands are tied purely because of the perceived stature of a celebrity, seems utterly ridiculous and frankly, unacceptable.
Pissed off and fired up, we jumped out and did our best to kill it for the 30 mins we had in the lights. We burst ourselves trying to bring it, and after ALL that, we came off beaten, sweaty but elated. In our minds, this is over. Fuck this shit.
Tonight belongs to everyone who came to see us tonight, everyone who waited for HOURS to see We Are Scientists and us; to We Are Scientists themselves who killed it tonight, as always, and totally got our fucking backs! To Brendan, Ian, Jeffrey, and EVERY goddamn person who was down the front, we made it in the end...it was all thanks to you.
Fuck the Grapevine.
We love you all.
Ryan, Joshua and Phillip.
Die hören sich aber gerne selber reden, meine Güte.
Ich hab's nicht ganz lesen können. Soviel Text und dann noch auf englisch.
Vielleicht wird das ja mal im Visions thematisiert (am besten natürlich im Forum).
Vielleicht wird das ja mal im Visions thematisiert (am besten natürlich im Forum).
Die hören sich aber gerne selber reden, meine Güte.Olsen, 09.05.2014 12:44 #
So was in der Art dachte ich auch. Ziemlich dusselige und ärgerliche Geschichte für die Band, klar. Hätten sie aber auch in ein paar bedeutungsvollen Sätzen weniger erzählen können.